Sharing Ideas On PhilNavs Finances from CebuNavs E-group: You've Put the Words of What is in My Heart

B. My personal conviction on giving to the Navs. (Cont'n)

17 I do not give to the Navs because (multiple answer allowed) OR Im giving now but if I stop giving NOW to the Navs the possible reason would be;
	a I feel that the Nav work now is less relevant.	0	0.0%
	b I do not see where Navs is heading (no direction).	2	11.1%
	c I do not see a good conversion rate between money spend and soul being reached-out and labourers established.	0	0.0%
	d I have doctrinal problem with the Navs.	3	16.7%
	e I don't like the way Navs handle financial system.	3	16.7%
	f The Navs is not transparent with its finances.	3	16.7%
	g I feel that what the Navs wants is only my money.	0	0.0%
	h I think the Navs receives funding from outside.	2	11.1%
	i I feel I am not connected to any of the Navwork.	4	22.2%
	j I don't like the lifestyle of the staffs	3	16.7%
	k I’m not informed of the need of the staffs	4	22.2%
	l I feel that the staff (Nav Representative) do not relate to me in personal level.	0	0.0%
	m I feel that the staff should do tent making (work).	2	11.1%
	n Some staffs let me feel like I am a second class Christian because of my decision in the past.	2	11.1%
	o I only give to the one that minister to me and Navs is no longer ministering to me.	4	22.2%
	p Its a hassles/difficult to send my support	2	11.1%
	q I don't get receipts for my tax deductions.	1	5.6%
	r I have priorities outside of the Navs.	8	44.4%
	s My income is just enough for my/our needs.	1	5.6%
	t I am helping my family/relatives.	3	16.7%
	u I don't have income	2	11.1%
	v I want to give but I do not know how to send my gift.	1	5.6%
	w I'm a bit shy because I can only give a small amount.	1	5.6%
	x I’m not led to give to anyone at all.	1	5.6%
	y I have more thoughts, I want to explain. (Use the voice out box)	5	27.8%
	Votes so far	18	100.0%

Friday, April 3, 2009

You've Put the Words of What is in My Heart

Mga Igsoon ko,
Gatulo akong luha in reading your emails today.
Firstly, thank you very much Ren for losening up and openning up. Honestly I dreaded the scenario that I will be push to choose to delete anyone in this egroup.. So I was really praying hard that love, tolerance, acceptance and embracing oneanother would prevail even if we have different preferences. .. Thank you too for your advice. BTW we are in Bangladesh not in Cambodia. But please do not let me stop thinking and praying for our root, figuratively, I will die if I would be disconnected with you people (hehehehe).. We doing fine in our adjustment, although we have to really burn candles in our language study. Its really difficult, they said Bangla is the next hardest language next to Chinese. We are also getting meaningful frienships with some locals.
Rub, you've put the words of what is in my heart...haay tulo na pud ako luha. How I desire to to see our CebuNavs community what you have seen in Acts, and what the Moravian C did a century ago. Yes all did their part to advance the Kingdom accoding to the role that God gave them. They go to place in group, some doing business some working and some and handling the Word but they as a community is creating an impact hard to resist by the locals becuase of the life the've shown as a loving community. This is actually the heart of vision of the Navs today.
Now how do we apply this in Cebu Navs community? We have a base Min. in Cebu and we are all scattered all over the world? I think what you are sharing now could be the answer.. Mga Igsoon, God is so gacious to us that He would open our eyes to the opportunity to be partners with Him. He blessed with people who can do fulltime min work. 40% of the fulltime Navs Staff are form CebuNavs, and 83% who left the Phils as Navs and went overseas with Missi... in mind .. are also form Cebu. I think we are beginning to see that He has also blessed many of us the capacity to earn not only for ourselves but most of all, to be His partners in the furtherance of His Kingdom. At the end of the day mga igsoon ko, its not how high we have climb the ladder of success that will give us "Life" but its the King and giving ourselves to the furtherance of His Kingdom that will. Our King has promised us that He came to give us Life and have it abundantly.. .As a community let's start living abundantly by being consumed with Him and His Kingdom..
Lastly di gyud ko maimutang kung di ko makaappreciate sa mga tirada ni Bay Venric... lupig pay abogado ug mga philosophers of the past.... Saludo na pod ko bay venric..y

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17. The respondents were asked why they are not giving to the Navs or if they are, what would be some possible reasons for stopping to give now.

Eighteen out of 28 responded, of course, we can not assume that all these 18 are not giving to the Navs.

Here are their answers:
a. Forty four (44%)are not giving because they have other priority. It could be that they are already committed to other Christian Work.

The next top reasons with the same score (44%)are:
b. They feel that they are not connected to any Navwork.
c. They are not informed of the needs of the staff.
d. They only give to those who minister to them and Navs is no longer ministering to them.

Next on the line have again the same score of 16.7% are:
a. They have doctrinal problem with the Navs, yes I think its amazing that the Navs can tolerate a little or some deviation on the doctrines. Before this discussion we were discussing about Lordship of Christ and it amazed me that suddenly there are some or a little deviation on the understanding of the Lordship especially in relation to salvation. Another attempt was the realignment that Danny has started in Baguio, an attempt to define some terms that we used in the Navs. Now is this necessary? or shall we just leave it that way?

b. Some respondents do not want the way Navs handle financial system.

c. Some look at the lifestyle of the staff and they don't like it
and you can look at the rest of the reasons on the left side.

One good reason to rejoice is that, the respondents do not give to the Navs or will stop giving because they feel that Navwork is less relevant now, and they do not even buy the idea of the ratio of money to number of souls or laborers produced. They do not also feel that what the Navs want is only their money.

Although one of the alumni, has a different idea about this survey and different thoughts about these reasons, but I think if we desire partnership then this should not be brushed aside.

18. Here is another section where we will know the hearts of the respondents why they give to the Navs. Thankfully, it seems that 24 out of the 28 respondents are giving to the Navs in one way or another.

75% of the respondents felt they are led by God to give to the Navs. This gives us assurance that God is raising people to financially support the Navs.

66% gave because they are Navigators

about 60% gave because they still believed on what the Navs is doing and considered Navs as their family.

Some gave because they have relationship with the staff (42%).
Some also said that they are grateful to the organization(50%).

Putting this together, we can paint the partnership that our alumni want to have.

19. Majority of them (65.2%) gave or plan to give on a regular basis and some (56.5%) want to give on need basis.

52.5% of the respondents prefer to give to the staff having personal relationship with them. This is very Filipino, is this wrong? We say that giving is a result of our relationship with God and that we give only to God but we also know that God loves our culture. In fact, all culture will be represented in heaven someday.

20. This last one is something that we in Navs should also take into consideration. According to the respondents, as donors:

a. They want to be treated as partners not only because they are giving financially. (70%)

b. They will be informed of what is happening especially on the area where their support goes (62.5%).

c. They would like to be personal and intimate where they can also share their lives, concerns and joys. They want to know what is in the mind of the NLT and that the Navs will be transparent on its finances. They desire too that giving should be taught in the campus level(45.8%)

d. How they wished that there wouldbe a department who will do some kind of donor's maintenance and be given freedom to express their opinion (33.3%)

e. Some desired that they would be informed of the need. They wished too that all Navigators will give portion of their giving to the Navs.

Well, what I have done is not really an analysis but rather just a repetition of what was expressed to give emphasis.

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18 I give to the Navs because (multiple aswers allowed)
	a I felt led by God	18	75.0%
	b of my gratitude of the organization	12	50.0%
	c I do not have any other ministry involvement	1	4.2%
	d I believe in what the Navs is doing.	15	62.5%
	e of my relationship with the staff	10	41.7%
	f of the life’s example of the staff	4	16.7%
	g someone in the Navs ministers to me	4	16.7%
	h I consider Navs as my family	14	58.3%
	i I am a Navigator.	16	66.7%
	j I have more thoughts, I want to explain. (Use the voice out box)	2	8.3%
	Votes so far	24	100.0%

19 My Present giving or my plan of giving to the Navs is (multiple answers allowed)
	a on regular basis (monthly, bi-monthly, quarterly etc)	15	65.2%
	b when someone would ask me	3	13.0%
	c when I see the need	13	56.5%
	d I prefer to give to the staff who are in the ministry area where I came from	6	26.1%
	e I prefer to give to the staffs that have personal relationship with me	12	52.2%
	f I prefer to give to project or program	6	26.1%
	g I prefer to give to the general fund	1	4.3%
	h Actually. I have no plan of giving to the Navs/Staff until my problems with the Navs is resolved	0	0.0%
	i. I have more thoughts, I want to explain. (Use the voice out box)	2	8.7%
	Votes so far	23	100.0%

20 As a donor or someone who is considering to give to the Navs , how I wish (multiple answer allowed)
	a I would really feel the partnership between me and the staff I am supporting, in the personal level, where I can also share personally from my side and be prayed for.	11	45.8%
	b That my partnership with the staff/Navs is unconditional even if sometimes I fail to give or stop my giving for whatever reason. Meaning I would still receive news and communication same as when I was still giving.	17	70.8%
	c. The Navs/Staff will be conscious of the ratio between the amount spent vs. the soul saved and the labourers produced.	6	25.0%
	d. I will be kept informed of what is happening in area where my support goes.	15	62.5%
	c I will hear the minds of the leadership, NLT specially.	11	45.8%
	d that there would be a department who would maintain, update, and answer questions and help the donors to facilitate giving and receipting	8	33.3%
	e the Navs will be transparent on its finances to the donors	11	45.8%
	h That donors will also be consulted or be given freedom to express our opinion on certain issue of the Navs. I wish that there would be a kind of “suggestion box” where we are free to idenfy ourselves or remain anonymous.	8	33.3%
	i the Navs would let me know the needs	7	29.2%
	k that the staff would be an example of simple lifestyle	8	33.3%
	l that giving will also be taught and practiced even among the students	11	45.8%
	m that all Navs will give portion of their giving to the Navs	7	29.2%
	n I have more thoughts, I want to explain. (Use the voice out box)	3	12.5%
	Votes so far	24	100.0%

I. Profile of the Respondents in relation to Navs.
	A. Nav Involvement
		1. How long have you been involved with the Navs
		2 At what stage of your life were you contacted by the Navs
		3 Who introduced you to the Navs
		4. What Nav activities were you involved in (multiple answers allowed)
		5. I describe my involvement (giving or/and actual ministry) with the Navs as
		6. Did anyone of the Phil Nav staff, Nav contact or Nav alumni communicate to you when you went somewhere ?
		7. My present connection with the Navs is mainly because
		8 How do you rate your present ministry involvement with the PhilNavs in terms of support and/or actual ministry work.
		9 With your past and present involvement with the Navs, do you consider yourself as a Navigator?
	B Personal Knowledge of the Navs
		10. My knowledge of the PhilNavs is based on the time (you can select more than1)
		11. As far as the Phil. Navigators as an organization is concerned I am aware of (means I know at least 60% .multiple choices allowed)
		12 My perception of the PhilNavs (do not check if at least you don’t perceive it at 70% level, you can have multiple answers)
		13. My perception of the Navstaff. (the word “most” is near 80% level and “some” is near 20% level, you can have multiple answers)
II Giving and Financial Support
	A. Personal Conviction on Giving
		14. For me, giving is (multiple answers allowed)
		15. I consider the money I give to the following as part of my giving (multiple answers allowed)
	B. My personal conviction on giving to the Navs.
		16 My giving or not giving to the Navs is generally affected by:
		17 I do not give to the Navs because (multiple answer allowed) OR Im giving now but if I stop giving NOW to the Navs the possible reason would be;
		18 I give to the Navs because (multiple aswers allowed)
		19 My Present giving or my plan of giving to the Navs is (multiple answers allowed)
		20 As a donor or someone who is considering to give to the Navs , how I wish (multiple answer allowed)

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